It's called Biased. But he said that this guy seemed like he was armed and dangerous. I can keep selling them to you, but I strongly recommend trying these out. Jordan Harbinger: [01:05:11] What about the old, some of my best friends are a black trope, right? Airbnb turns out, even minority hosts discriminate against other minorities. Enter your name and email address below and I'll send you periodic updates about the podcast. You will not be eligible for any compensation because you cannot use any part of the Website or because of a failure, suspension or withdrawal of all or part of the Website. Like, look at his height. You know, if you sort of talk to them about disparities in the system, they see it as sort of evidence or justification that these people are doing wrong. So this was a time when I was in Oakland, California. Eberhardt works with law enforcement to design implicit bias trainings. 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The right of access: We’ll provide you with the data we have about you. Analyzing thousands of data points, the researchers found racial disparities in how Oakland officers treated African Americans on routine traffic and pedestrian stops. Jordan Harbinger: [00:16:28] And now, I'm married to a woman who is ethnic Chinese, she's from Taiwan and all my in-laws and extended family are Asians. So white people, for example, are really surprised when I say, "Well, I couldn't tell white faces apart." She also trains police and law enforcement agencies on bias even if we're unaware of its consequences. So it's interesting. But in general, creating relationships with people of other races and ethnicities does help to mitigate bias. They recommend those socks there too. And so that's what we found. It turns out social advocacy organizations have greater impact on federal legislation when their experts get to testify. And people who we assume are safer races as safer even if objectively they're not. That had poorer schools. So this is a story — so this took place when my son was just five years old. The other issue with the bias training is that they will bring people in, but they won't evaluate the training. The study’s findings revealed that those who believed racial differences arise due to biological differences differed from those who looked at race as a social construct. Research shows why understanding the source of discrimination matters. Jennifer Eberhardt: [01:07:50] Yeah. He turns and he confronts the guy inside the building and he told me a shock went through him. And they will gradually change the expression on the face. We just think, "Well, clearly what I'm perceiving is the truth. I mean, they're getting it from sort of watching how we react to people and how we move through the world. Stanford News is a publication of Stanford University Communications. Where does it come from? 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It's important we look good on our Zoom calls. That's where I got the question, right? I hope you get your bike back. Yeah. So Jamal Anthony Smith on the resume might be Jay Anthony Smith. If memory serves the first time you heard yourself called Dr. Eberhardt was from a judge. You must retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original Content. It's also about experience. Jordan Harbinger: [00:46:1] Interesting. When they see Chinese faces or African-American faces or what have you, but they don't expect that people do that to them. Thinking that maybe this isn't furtive gestures but you're just succumbing to your unconscious bias. There was like — he's talked about it — this invisible force field being around this man because he was really into Star Wars then. Company will post a notice on the Website any time these Terms of Use have been changed or otherwise updated. So that's number one. I Married a Conspiracy Theorist! And now they're finding that somehow that made things less diverse. The house that we showed them was a house that was owned by the Thomas family. For example. It really shows us how deep this is. A social psychologist at Stanford University, Jennifer Eberhardt investigates the consequences of the psychological association between race and crime. Jennifer Eberhardt: [01:02:00] Oh okay but what is that called? They're like, "What?" You agree that in the event that you have any right, claim or action against any User arising out of that User’s use of the Website, then you will pursue such right, claim or action independently of and without recourse to us. I just wasn't really focused on those kinds of features to figure out who was who. I think a lot of people feel like if you just bring in someone to inform people about bias, that bias can go away because now everybody understands what it is. COMPANY HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES. And, and it's not even something that's limited to people, dogs as well. That's weird. I don't know. [00:27:57] There was a study that you mentioned in the book about how our — I'm going to phrase this in a weird way — but our brain essentially sort of dulls our response after we see something over and over. Should a legal claim arise involving your data, we will store and disclose that data until the matter has been fully resolved. And don't forget, we've got worksheets for today's episode as well. Company reserves the right to amend these Terms at any time. And I'm just thinking because when I walk up to dogs, they usually — like if I'm outside and I see my neighbor’s dog, they're so friendly. She is the co-director of Social Psychological Answers to Real-World Questions (SPARQ), a Stanford Center initiative bringing experts together to address social issues. Sean Reardon, a professor in the Graduate School of Education, has looked closely at how poverty intersects with the educational achievement gap. Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:33] This episode is also sponsored by ButcherBox. And most of the people you hear on this show, they're either in the course, contributing to the course or both. And so they were the face as either a face of a black person or a face of a Latino. I want to talk about the other-race effect. -- Benjamin Zephaniah Jennifer Eberhardt's work is essential to helping us understand racial inequalities in our country and around the world. Some of it's not so humanely raised, which is kind of gross as well. Jennifer Eberhardt: [00:09:58] That's right. Jordan Harbinger: [00:51:15] Thanks for listening and supporting the show. It can be super expensive. Each box has nine to 11 pounds of meat. [01:17:27] This show is created in association with PodcastOne and my amazing team. Facebook is great at that. We just got an exercise bike recently. Jordan Harbinger: [00:39:31] Yeah. It seems like a lot of this is survival mechanisms gone wrong, right? Most of the guests on the show, they're in the course, they're contributing to the course. Those teachers are able to tell eight-year-old faces apart from one another more so than college kids are, who don't have kids. They suggest 50 measures to improve police-community relations. You agree not to use the Website in a way that may cause the Website to be interrupted, damaged, rendered less efficient or such that the effectiveness or functionality of the Website is in any way impaired. And that's why we're interested in studying it as a social scientist. They even say that more would need to be done to the house, to spruce it up, to get it ready for the market if a black family is standing in it than if a white family is standing in that same house. BY VISITING THE WEBSITE, YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THE FOLLOWING TERMS OF USE. She had the same lips. Or if we make friends with somebody with a different race or ethnicity, it'll help mitigate that bias. Very disturbing there. They would fit in culturally. And there's some research to suggest that it is as well. That course is rife with the expertise of those you've heard here. Of the seven factors the researchers identified, perhaps the most insidious is passivism or passive racism, which includes an apathy toward systems of racial advantage or denial that those systems even exist. Yeah. But sometimes people have to make split-second decisions and that's why their work is relevant. So I'm getting ready to have this talk. All amendments to the Terms shall be forward-looking. [00:07:52] You know, I have another son who was in first grade, he asked me — he says, "Mommy, do you think people see black people in a different kind of way?" Jennifer Eberhardt Professor Eberhardt's primary research interests include stereotyping, prejudice, and stigma. And he thought about it and he thought about it. Skin color, no resemblance. Jennifer Eberhardt: [01:06:02] My colleague Benoît Monin does a lot of work on this, this sort of moral credentialing where you've done a good thing in the past. We're responding to what is in front of us and sort of what our experiences like. That had the shopping district, there would be less opportunities there, fewer banking institutions, all of that, but we didn't give them any information at all about the surrounding neighborhoods. And he's a centimeter shorter than you. Sorry. Company reserves the right to terminate your use of the Service and/or the Website. And I thought, well, maybe my son is seeing something that I'm not. Like how did I not get it? [00:03:19] People do email me all the time that come in to give presentations — or not come in anymore, but virtually give presentations on racial bias and so forth. So they've done this with these shoot-don't-shoot simulations. As protest erupts across the country, what makes some demonstrations more effective than others? Jennifer Eberhardt: [00:44:10] Yeah. You further agree that we are not responsible for the availability of any external websites or resources, and do not endorse and are not responsible or liable, directly or indirectly, for the content (including misrepresentative or defamatory content) of any third party websites, nor for any damage, loss or offense caused or alleged to be caused by, or in connection with, the use of or reliance on any such content, goods or services available on such external websites or resources, including those of affiliates, joint-venture partners, or others to whom we might provide links from time to time. Anyways, we were shocked to learn that. Because I needed an example. Jennifer Eberhardt, one of the world's leading experts on unconscious racial bias, has conducted training sessions with law enforcement for nearly 15 … You may not sell, redistribute, or reproduce the Software, nor may you decompile, reverse-engineer, disassemble, or otherwise convert the Software to a human-perceivable form. Go to and use code JORDAN-APR20 at checkout for 20% off your first purchase, free shipping on US orders over $75, and free returns! So this was researched that was conducted by Sonia Kang and colleagues. Jordan Harbinger: [00:35:34] Is it just faces or is it also their body movements? I'm just now realizing that all of my friends' hobbies are so white, wakeboarding, skiing, camping. [01:00:10] The kicker was that they actually developed like all of these resumes and whitened some of them and left others unwhitened and they sent them out to employers. [00:25:30] This episode is sponsored in part by Vuori Clothing. So it would be great if we had those, right. 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Jennifer Eberhardt, a social psychologist at Stanford University, will be the featured speaker at the University of Virginia School of Law’s Community MLK Celebration event. Can you take us through this? About Jennifer L. Eberhardt, PhD. And so they have to stay the moment at which that face goes to neutral. You know, it's funny, I think that's true in one way, in other ways, it isn't. Stanford psychologists find that brief exercises early in middle school can improve students’ relationships with their teachers, increase their sense of belonging and reduce teachers’ reports of discipline issues among black and Latino boys. When they see Chinese faces or African-American faces or what have you. Jennifer Eberhardt: [01:01:21] Yeah. Personal data is information that can be used to identify you such as your name, IP address, and email address. You can also send correspondence by traditional mail to: Jordan Harbinger LLC The right to be informed: We are informing you now with this policy. In this “Shoot, Don’t Shoot” project, subjects watched images of people holding either guns or harmless objects. What Legal Basis Do We Have For Collecting and Processing Your Information? I read a book on bias and therefore — I had a bias training at work. Jordan Harbinger: [00:58:48] Yeah, of course, this sort of carries over into what you called whitening resumes as well. And so that left it to individual officers to decide for themselves what was furtive, what was suspicious movement. People like to think about this color blindness also to deal with —. And it's like the person using your title for you first is not — it's not the Dean, the Regent, your family. You may submit such content via the Website so long as it is not threatening, objectionable, illegal, obscene, defamatory (to us or anyone else), invasive of privacy or intellectual property rights, or otherwise injurious to us or third parties. 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I mean, I think that's a good way of putting it. NO WARRANTIES. That there could be harm to actually having the training, not just that they don't work as well as we might think, but it can also prevent companies from doing the things that they should to really address the issue. And he got that sense from how we move through the world. So thereby magically — but it's funny because we never really argue that with other things. Like, how is that possible that what I am seeing — and we've studied this on the show before discussed this on the show about how our eyes are bringing in photons, and then our brain does the rest of it and calculates the image. And that's how I start the book out because I feel like it's a story that really underscores just how prevalent bias is and how damaging it can be. You know, it's sort of pushing officers to answer that question before they make the stop. Jordan Harbinger: [01:00:58] When people in San Francisco say, "I really care about homelessness, we really got to clean up the tenderloin." Jennifer Eberhardt: [00:02:14] That's true. Her program was made available to police departments across California … I said, "You know daddy wouldn't rob a plane?" We don't know if they're Asian, black, white, we're just going to do blind auditions. A lab in the Psychology Department at Stanford has created a set of free toolkits to help people resolve complicated issues, including resources to help people deal with disagreements. It could be daunting to confirm bias in study after study, or see the subtle clockwork of racism evoked in brain scans. Jennifer Eberhardt: [01:12:12] I have this sense you're going to air that part. You know, they look different. The book again was written several years ago and includes the story of this police officer who accidentally profiles himself. PROHIBITED USES. Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:05] This episode is also sponsored in part by NetSuite. To learn more and get links to all the great discounts you've just heard, so you can check out our amazing sponsors for yourself, visit Jordan Harbinger: [01:04:07] Yeah, I was going to bring that up. WEBSITE CHANGES. No one has witnessed a crime during the show. Jordan Harbinger: [00:21:26] It also works with children. Your support of our advertisers keeps us going. Mrs. Eberhardt explains that Roy's father would like to see Roy before he leaves for school. "How come it's just your dog? And I said, "What?" Stanford University scholars are launching a data-driven initiative to help journalists find stories at a lower cost, to support local newsrooms explore public interest issues and fight against misinformation. [00:57:56] And we had another version where we just told them that there were black people who lived in the neighborhood. 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